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Is being gay a learned behaviour, or a natural occurance?

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#11 Guest_anthony06914_*

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:22 AM

I'm not gay or anything.

But I do got respect for gay people.That I would never try and bash them or
anything.By saying remarks about them being gay.Or stuff like that or of that nature!!!!!!

But this is my opinion.

I think if a person chooses to be gay,then that is there choice in life.
They have made their own decision to who they like and to who they want to be with.

But however,if a person is straight.And someone tries to assume that their gay.
By telling other people that this person is this and that.
I believe that is wrong.And that kind of thing happens sometimes.Where people try and
assume stuff what ain't true about other people.

But to the people who want to assume stuff about other people.
Them people should get to know the person
first before they try and assume stuff about that person. ;)

#12 mef730


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Posted 03 May 2009 - 07:00 PM

Personally, I believe that everyone is born gay and many people make the unnatural choice to be straight.  

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#13 JerrySizzler



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Posted 07 May 2009 - 02:40 PM

When people say homosexuality, or anything is a "choice" I honestly wonder what the heck they think that means.  It is generally accepted that if a behavior is "natural", that is, based on your genes or other biological factors, then it is not a choice.  However, when a behavior is learned or caused by environmental factors, then it suddenly becomes a choice.  Huh?  Am I the only one who is confused by this "logic"?   You cannot choose who raises you, whether your parents are rich or poor, what country you are born in,  where you go to grade school, etc. yet somehow you "choose" to learn something as intuitive and seemingly natural as who you are attracted to.  It's one thing to say people can be held responsible for their actions but quite another to claim any feeling or tendency that isn't hard-wired in your DNA is a choice.

That being said, I think there is ample scientific evidence that sexual orientation has biological influences.  For instance, twin studies have found if a gay person has an identical twin, their twin is significantly more likely to also be gay than a non-twin sibling, and far more likely than the average person (yes, even when they are adopted into two different households).  There's also some evidence that changes in hormone levels in a mother's womb can predict sexual orientation.  So there definitely seems to be a biological component, but that doesn't mean that environment has no role to play.   But the environmental factors are certainly subtle and complex (it's not like simply knowing that gay people exist can make a child grow up to be gay as some homophobes seem to fear).  

Considering that virtually every human grows up in a society where gay people are stigmatized and given second class citizen status, it is not surprising that there are so many gay people who are either "in the closet" or in complete denial about their sexual orientation.  

So to answer the poll question, my answer would be it is both learned and biological.  And on the question of choice, no I do not think you can choose who you are.  For anyone who thinks being gay is a choice, (and I assume EVERYONE who thinks this is heterosexual) I ask you this question:  Did you choose to be straight?

Edited by JerrySizzler, 07 May 2009 - 03:32 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 03:19 PM

View Postsarahricks, on Apr 15 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

View Postjackpotmoney, on Apr 15 2009, 02:08 PM, said:

I think its a natural occurrence with the chromosomes malfunction.

Males = XY
Females = XX

Which probably means that guys probably have either a messed up chromosomes such as XYX or something like that and females have XXY.

I think that's how it happens.

I think you just feel like you like the same sex rather than the opposite.

If people all liked the same sex in the world, then it would probably be not normal if you like the opposite sex. So I am guessing it is a natural occurence.

Having an XXY chromosone makes a person a hermafrodite (hope I spelled that right) So if it is in your genetic making like that it would mean all gays are hermafrodites which I'm pretty sure isn't true.
I think if it was a genetic make up they would have been able to find what chromosone it is assosiated with by now.

Behavioral genetics is not nearly as simply as that.  There are many traits and behaviors which are affected by multiple genes and effects such as incomplete dominance and recessive genes that make mapping the gene responsible for any behavior extremely challenging.  For example someone can be a genetic carrier for a recessive trait (i.e., red hair) without actually having the trait (phenotype) themselves.  When genes influence behavior the effects tend to be relative (that is, I may have genes that make me tend to be more shy than you, but less shy than someone else).  So it isn't as simple as having a "gay" gene or a "straight" gene.  

There's actually no reason to assume that genes affecting sexual orientation are limited to the sex chromosomes... And since we're only talking about several genes (which make up a tiny, tiny part of a chromosome, it is not necessary for someone to have a whole extra chromosome to have a different sexual orientation).  

Also FYI, XXY is a relatively rare genetic disorder called Klinefelter's syndrome in which a male has more androgynous features, but it is not the same thing as inter-sexed persons or hermaphrodites (which is extremely rare).

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 05:52 PM

View PostMistybabe, on Apr 14 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

Personally, I believe it's a choice. For me it comes down to my God, my beliefs. I believe homosexuality is the work of the "evil" side lol.

That being said, I don't judge nor do I discriminate. I have friends and family members who are gay..and some who are gay sometimes, straight sometimes.. and claim their not bi-sexual (go figure).

That's just my opinion, and it has no influence on how I view an individual as a person.

I can only find one sentence that comes close to what I think!
And that belongs to Babe -
"For me it comes down to my God, my beliefs. I believe homosexuality is the work of the "evil" side lol."
You forgot one lettter Babe! LOL!
homosexuality = evil =  devil
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 06:53 PM

For all you straight people: http://www.geocities...ld/hetquiz.html

The quiz shows how stupid this whole "debate" is. :P It is a funny way to look at how annoying/dumb a lot of the questions LGBT individuals get asked.

Another version can be found here: http://www.pcc.edu/r...on-exercise.pdf (WARNING: PDF File)

The second quiz contains a few other questions to ponder.

Anyway, there's a difference between biological sex, gender, and sexual orientation. Biological sex and sexual orientation are being confused in this thread. Being intersex does NOT make you gay/lesbian (or straight). It's irrelevant. And intersex people can have any possible sexual orientation, just like anyone else.

And as for it being a choice, I'm not sure why anyone would choose to be gay/lesbian/bisexual, knowing that they'll face hatred, bigotry, possible hate crimes, discrimination, religious condemnation, etc.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:04 AM

homosexuality is natural. There are animals in the wild that are gay.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 11:12 AM

View Postlefty13, on May 19 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

homosexuality is natural. There are animals in the wild that are gay.
My grandma has lesbian birds. :P

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 12:49 PM

View Postwilljaysmom, on May 19 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

My grandma has lesbian birds. :P
Nothing wrong with that, I love lesbian girls too. :lol:

But why are you guys still talking about this, why does it matter if someone is gay or not. If they are, let them, who really cares how they became gay, they just want to live they life in peace like everyone else.

Edited by wargames2007, 19 May 2009 - 12:50 PM.

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